Comments on: Aluminum-Ion Battery Breakthrough At Stanford https://planetsave.com/articles/aluminum-ion-battery-breakthrough-at-stanford/ Science, Animals, Planet Earth, & More Sat, 18 Apr 2015 07:03:31 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: Jim https://planetsave.com/articles/aluminum-ion-battery-breakthrough-at-stanford/#comment-23153 Tue, 14 Apr 2015 18:24:00 +0000 http://planetsave.com/?p=43824#comment-23153 The author should distinguish between lithion iron phosphate and lithium ion. Two very different batteries.

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By: sola https://planetsave.com/articles/aluminum-ion-battery-breakthrough-at-stanford/#comment-23149 Mon, 13 Apr 2015 08:45:00 +0000 http://planetsave.com/?p=43824#comment-23149 In reply to Obama.

That woulde be every year, not every decade

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By: Wayne Williamson https://planetsave.com/articles/aluminum-ion-battery-breakthrough-at-stanford/#comment-23145 Sun, 12 Apr 2015 17:03:00 +0000 http://planetsave.com/?p=43824#comment-23145 pretty poor article…not blaming the author here, as I’ve seen the same thing on other sites. All the inventors needed to do was say how many times it could be recharged, how quick it can be recharged and what the energy density is. Aluminum is pretty much dirt cheap. If the energy density is a factor of 10 more than lion, then it moves into the realm of lead acid…just say’n…

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By: K A CHEAH https://planetsave.com/articles/aluminum-ion-battery-breakthrough-at-stanford/#comment-23144 Sat, 11 Apr 2015 15:45:00 +0000 http://planetsave.com/?p=43824#comment-23144 BY THE TIME GRAPHENE ALUMINUM ION AND AIR HYBRID HIGH DENSITY BATTERY, THE HOLY GRAIL OF POWER STORAGE IS MADE AVAILABLE, THAT CAN RUN THE BEV ONE THOUSAND MILES OR MORE WITHOUT A NEED OF A RECHARGE, THAT WILL ALSO MAKE BEV’S PRODUCTION COST MOST COMPETITIVE AND MOST AFFORDABLE, THEN THE FOSSIL FUEL ERA FOR ICE VEHICLES IS FINALLY ENDING, SO THE WORLD’S FUTURE IS FOR ALL BEV WEANING FROM SOLAR, WIND, WAVE, HYDRO, GEOTHERMAL AND OTHER NON- FOSSIL FUEL, NON-TOXIC AND NON-HARMFUL SOURCES OF RENEWABLE POWER PRODUCTION. REGRET USING ALL CAPITALS AS MY EYESIGHT IS POOR AS THAT IS THE ONLY WAY I CAN READ WHAT I OF TYPED.

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By: BtotheT https://planetsave.com/articles/aluminum-ion-battery-breakthrough-at-stanford/#comment-23138 Thu, 09 Apr 2015 16:43:00 +0000 http://planetsave.com/?p=43824#comment-23138 In reply to Obama.

Yeah, Aluminum’s also great for heat transfer/retention plates with applications like heating/cooling and onsite water purification/sterilization. Even turning waste heat(solar thermal) into power via heat differential through either the peltier effect or thermionic generation.
While heating water for example(which may or may not take power to inniate) the differential between the water and the heating plate itself can be recaptured and either fed back into the process or else where(maybe a UV LED for sterilization).

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By: Steve Hanley https://planetsave.com/articles/aluminum-ion-battery-breakthrough-at-stanford/#comment-23137 Thu, 09 Apr 2015 10:18:00 +0000 http://planetsave.com/?p=43824#comment-23137 In reply to BtotheT.

I agree with your analysis. There’s nothing saying a battery that is good for residential or grid electrical storage has to also be good for EV’s as well.

As for voltage, I read somewhere recently that some auto maker is experimenting with a 48V drivetrain. Part of the reason for that is that any system using 60V or less does not need to have such an elaborate system of shielding and other safety provisions designed to protect occupants and emergency workers from electrical shock. And the advantage of that? Less cost and less weight.

The use of electricity in automobiles is at roughly the same place gasoline engines was 100 years ago. It’s a whole new ball game and there will be lots and lots of new ideas and new players in the marketplace just as there were back then.

Exciting times, but many of those ideas and companies will ultimately fail commercially or get absorbed by others.

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By: Obama https://planetsave.com/articles/aluminum-ion-battery-breakthrough-at-stanford/#comment-23136 Thu, 09 Apr 2015 09:38:00 +0000 http://planetsave.com/?p=43824#comment-23136 In reply to BtotheT.

Yes, and no aluminium gets used up inside the battery over it’s lifespan and the metal itself is not a form of energy, but rather a method of storing energy. The metals are fully recyclable.

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By: Obama https://planetsave.com/articles/aluminum-ion-battery-breakthrough-at-stanford/#comment-23135 Thu, 09 Apr 2015 09:36:00 +0000 http://planetsave.com/?p=43824#comment-23135 In reply to Steve Hanley.

The Nissan leaf has sold quite a bit already – nearly 1 million worldwide since it was brought out. The next generation of batteries will allow this amount to increase over ten fold – 2016/2017.

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By: Obama https://planetsave.com/articles/aluminum-ion-battery-breakthrough-at-stanford/#comment-23134 Thu, 09 Apr 2015 09:34:00 +0000 http://planetsave.com/?p=43824#comment-23134 In reply to Steve Hanley.

Apparently the energy density of batteries has increased 8 percent every decade or something. A little low, but not too bad, we are VERY near mass adoption of electric vehicles now and the next gerneration of lithium ion batteries alone will allow this to take place – time estimate: 2016/2017.

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By: Obama https://planetsave.com/articles/aluminum-ion-battery-breakthrough-at-stanford/#comment-23133 Thu, 09 Apr 2015 09:32:00 +0000 http://planetsave.com/?p=43824#comment-23133 In reply to bbbb.

More cells = more weight. They can improve the cathode to address this issue according to the article, take another look at what they wrote.

I do wonder what energy density this battery has though, compared to lithium batteries. Energy density determines how long one charge will last before needing recharging again and this impact the battery life, for electric vehicles as well (not battery lifespan, but batery life).

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By: Obama https://planetsave.com/articles/aluminum-ion-battery-breakthrough-at-stanford/#comment-23132 Thu, 09 Apr 2015 09:29:00 +0000 http://planetsave.com/?p=43824#comment-23132 In reply to arne-nl.

True, however, it is probably less toxic than aluminium which causes Alzheimers disease and is a heavy metal that accumulates in the body and brain (although not “heavy” in the literal sense).

PS – Lithium orotate is a natural, effective, far less toxic form of lithium that is suitable for those with bipolar disorder in place of the toxic pharmaceutical drug versions of the metal. In fact it’s good for you health in general even if you don’t have bipolar – as a trace mineral.

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By: Obama https://planetsave.com/articles/aluminum-ion-battery-breakthrough-at-stanford/#comment-23131 Thu, 09 Apr 2015 09:24:00 +0000 http://planetsave.com/?p=43824#comment-23131 Aluminium is toxic, not lithium.
Aluminium causes Alzheimers and dementia, plus other health related issues and this has been known for decades. I’m sure it will be OK as car batteries though, but not as cookware and as long as the batteries are recycled and don’t leach into the groundwater and rivers and dams.

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By: BtotheT https://planetsave.com/articles/aluminum-ion-battery-breakthrough-at-stanford/#comment-23130 Wed, 08 Apr 2015 21:46:00 +0000 http://planetsave.com/?p=43824#comment-23130 I think these would work well paired with renewables or household storage due to the product life cycle alone.
Not every application has to be light and small. I’d dedicate a room the size of a basement bathroom to whatever could be a long lasting household storage, be that aluminum or vanadium.
Aluminum being a recyclable substance further promotes sustainability which really should be one of the highest priorities of modern living. When the product cycle ends in 25-50 years, you have it picked up and recycled with a 5% refund for the materials they’ll reuse.

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By: Steve Hanley https://planetsave.com/articles/aluminum-ion-battery-breakthrough-at-stanford/#comment-23129 Wed, 08 Apr 2015 21:05:00 +0000 http://planetsave.com/?p=43824#comment-23129 Please keep in mind that this is news of an experimental battery. Whether it ever makes it out of the laboratory is anyone’s guess.

I am not chemist, arne, but I don’t believe the liquid electrolyte used in lithium ion batteries is anything I would care to have mixed in with my evening cocktail.

Progress on battery technology will be steady and slow. 10 years from now, batteries will be quite unlike those we have today. Right now, most people won’t consider an electric car because they are too expensive, take too long to recharge and have limited range. That is all going to change with time, but probably a lot more slowly than we would wish for.

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By: omar https://planetsave.com/articles/aluminum-ion-battery-breakthrough-at-stanford/#comment-23127 Wed, 08 Apr 2015 13:17:00 +0000 http://planetsave.com/?p=43824#comment-23127 Energy density is the main problem for EVs with Li battery but the fast charging ability could balance the low energy density of Al batteries.

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By: bbbb https://planetsave.com/articles/aluminum-ion-battery-breakthrough-at-stanford/#comment-23126 Wed, 08 Apr 2015 12:26:00 +0000 http://planetsave.com/?p=43824#comment-23126 why lower voltage is problem? can’t you just use more cells to get desired voltage??

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By: arne-nl https://planetsave.com/articles/aluminum-ion-battery-breakthrough-at-stanford/#comment-23124 Wed, 08 Apr 2015 11:25:00 +0000 http://planetsave.com/?p=43824#comment-23124 “Lithium is toxic and must be disposed of with care”

Lithium is not toxic in the common sense. Well of course, in the end
all materials are toxic. Even oxygen can be toxic to humans. But generally, lithium is not considered toxic.

Please don’t spread unnecessary FUD. You know how easily this is blown out of proportion and misused by the fossil fuel addicts that want to imprint this in our psyche.

From Battery University:

“Nickel-metal-hydride is considered non-toxic and the only concern is the
electrolyte. Although toxic to plants, nickel is not harmful to humans.
Lithium-ion is similarly benign – the battery contains little toxic
material. Nevertheless, caution is required when working with a damaged
battery. When handling a spilled battery, do not touch your mouth, nose
and eyes, and wash your hands thoroughly.”

From Wikipedia:

“Environmental concerns and recycling

Since Li-ion batteries contain less toxic metals than other types of batteries which may contain lead or cadmium[47] they are generally categorized as non-hazardous waste. Li-ion battery elements including iron, copper, nickel and cobalt are considered safe for incinerators and landfills.]”

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